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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 27, 2001 11:08:23 GMT -5
It's time for another installment of Poll Time! The spin off from the hit TNBC show.
This one was supposed to be posted long ago, but I forgot about it until now.
SNACH OR THE ALLSTARS?
----I want reasons stated too
As always I shall refrain until some other people resond, so as to not sway anyones vote from one side to the other
NEWFASTKILLAF-REEK
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Post by Steve All-Star on Nov 27, 2001 17:04:21 GMT -5
I am pro-All-Stars as well. I enjoy the style of music we're playing, the creative process, getting to be the frontman, and the overall feel of the band. SNACH was fun, but it's over, and we're doing a lot better.
PETSHOPBOYS
-Jizz
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 27, 2001 19:23:05 GMT -5
ok, since everyone is "afraid of my poll" but yet they don't reply to any other post either, then I guess I'll post my thoughts.
Obviously I'm pro both. But I will lean toward Snach more.
Snach was all about just goofing off and having fun. Like you guys would pick stupid songs to play and even though you weren't a "joke band" it was still fun. We could laugh about steve doing his famous Laga jump and stuff and no one would really care. The allstars have no room jokes and whatnot. One thing is for sure you will never see The Allstars covering "Sexy Boy", maybe steve and night will say that was a bad idea when Snach did it, but it was really fun and funny. The serious tone about how your appearance has to be or the no fill/nosolo-lead rule is a bit of a bummer. I don't know maybe I'm just dumb, but I enjoy cool leads and guitar solos and drum solos because they livin up the music and make it something more. I like the songs from each about the same ... with some I like more than others and then some I do not really like at all.
The stage presence in snach was much better, and the crowd participation at this time favors snach. The allstars win mucho in the fact that the set moves along w/ barely any interuptions, and the shorter sets. Bands that play a large, large catalog of songs sometimes gets boring.
My advice on how the allstars can possibly boost past the legacy of snach would be, to involve night on more backup harmony parts and such. Have more variety of song tempos. Lose the 1234 on every song. Some of them are cool, but then they are overused. The song "Cant Get Rid of Me" was excellent, because the vocals were different and gave some variety. And that is my favorite A-Stars song.
I shall end there, and I hope others can take 2 minutes and post something.
PUSSYWHIPPED
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Post by Steve All-Star on Nov 27, 2001 21:35:12 GMT -5
Here are the reasons (in detail) that I am pro-All-Stars.
1. Stage Presence
The All-Stars look cool. SNACH didn't do a damn thing. We always worried about what we were going to do onstage, whether it be jumping, walking, moving around, "maximum energy". Now in The All-Stars, we know what we're going to do ahead of time, so it doesn't look dumb if someone "feels" the music and tosses off a crappy jump.
I don't like jumping, so now I know it's ok to not do it. I can spread my legs and play and just feel like a badass. No one likes bands like The Failers jumping all over creation or any of that. Also, our biggest influences did the same thing, and they looked cool. We do the same, because that's what we like anyway. I prefer Johnny Ramone over Chad NFG or whoever they might be.
2. Songs
Even though I wrote a majority of SNACH's songs, I still had to worry about what people in the band would say. Many of my ideas were struck down and vetoed because other people in the band weren't into them. That was fine, because they had just as much say as me.
But now, opinions in the band are a little similar. Night and I have a similar vision, and we like similar things. So when we write songs, we know what the other is doing. Abhay is also an agreeable drummer, so he knows what we're doing.
3. Crowd Participation
SNACH lived and died over how the crowd reacted. If kids didn't mosh and sing along, it was a bad show (Morgantown). If they went nuts, stage-diving and running around, it was great (Laga, Shelley's).
At The Eyeliners show, no one did a damn thing while we played. We didn't care. You know why? Because after we played, a guy and girl who had come to see The Eyeliners said to Night, "You guys are the best Wheeling band we've ever heard". They didn't mosh or know our songs, but they liked us. And I'd rather be liked than be a moshing band. If kids want to stand there and have fun, good for them. It saves me from getting hit in the face with the mic.
4. 1-2-3-4's
1-2-3-4-'s are a million times cooler, and they are a lot easier to do than wait, and listen for drum clicks or whatever. They are also (once again) the way of our biggest influences. I like to keep the set moving, and I think that is the best way. I have grown to hate waiting even more than ten seconds for a band to play a song.
5. Tempos
We play in 4/4 time. We will never play in anything else. I also don't enjoy fast songs that much. Songs should be faster live, but we should not be playing super-fast crazy beats. I like something that doesn't blow by in 5 seconds to the chorus. Our songs are short, so a decent mid-tempo speed suits them fine.
6. Harmonies
There will be many Night/Jizz harmonies in the future. I'm still working on writing tunes to accentuate them. Right now, we can never write songs together, so it's hard to include others.
7. Fills
I am never playing a bass fill again. I don't need to show anyone I can do that stuff. I prefer following the guitar and not dropping out and playing something else.
As for guitar leads, every crappy Screeching Weasel rip-off started writing boring guitar leads because they couldn't think of anything else to do. Solos (JQ or rock and roll style are awesome) might be around a little. I don't know yet. We only have one guitarist, so it kind of sounds like trash live. You never know. We will never have single-note lead parts, ever.
Drum fills are good (within reason). Abhay is going to be given the chance to do more fills if he wants. Our sound is maturing, so you have to give us some leeway. I love drum rolls, and there will be plenty, but I don't think we need crazy Chris Burns amazing tom parts. Chris is an awesome drummer, but we just need to KISS (Keep it simple, stupid).
8. Vocals
Dude, I've never been a lead singer before. I'm still working at it. The reason "CGROM" is different is because the song is in the key of D and my voice doesn't work well in the key of D, so I have to sing it higher. Abhay had the best voice for SNACH, but it's different music, and I'm doing what I have to do.
Joey K. can't post on the board right now, but he's putting his vote down for SNACH. He loved the song "Her and Me". Whatever...
I think The All-Stars are better. SNACH was cool, but it was not as good as this. I love this music more than anything, so I think we're the best thing around.
KRAMERVSKRAMER
-Jizz
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Post by Madperfesssa on Nov 27, 2001 22:00:43 GMT -5
1,2,3,4....sup sluts. i liked snach better. i had more fun with snach. and the reason i am in bands is the have fun. not to impress a bunch of "pop punk" kids with names like johnny vindictive and arny parasite and billy rascal and tony darlington that i dont know and probably wouldnt like. and im not in bands to impress people like the eyeliners and joe queer. you think they give two shits about us? hehe.
i will make a list
1. before the last show steve told me i should take off my dicarlos shirt and put on a black shirt. he used to bug me about not wearing chucks. sounds like a dress code.
2. you said solos are "overdone. And they're too easy to write." i dont write the songs but i know our style is overdone. theres a million bands like us. musically snach was much more original.
3. were not the riverdales and ramones.
4. we have our own equipment. hehe. if thats how you base your opinion on bands... then...
5. i didnt get dirty looks and feel like shit when i screwed up a snach song.
that is just my list why i like snach better. i could make a list about the things i like about the all stars too. so overall snach was just much funner and thats what its all about. im sure i will have more thoughts after more people post
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Post by Madperfesssa on Nov 27, 2001 22:10:32 GMT -5
as for live shows...snach had much better stage presence. we were much more entertaining. i think thats kinda important for a live show. more important than ripping off the ramones.
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Post by Mr. Danger on Nov 28, 2001 0:02:26 GMT -5
wellwellwell here we go! SNACH = Super NIGHT! All ways fun Chicks h00t ALL-STARS = ALL out Serious Terrific riverdAles Ramones Songs
dont know what most of that means but some of it means what abhz said SNACH = original ALL-STARS = more wanting to be like other bands... ramones, riverdales, the queers, screeching weasle... but theres nothing wrong with this. but that is true i believe
i like the all stars alot they got some really good songs and they rock and roll! snach was super fun! and it was also all about BURNS! what was with that burns this burns that burns burns!!!!@#$@ hehe w00t! eat that purple people eaters
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 28, 2001 8:37:56 GMT -5
Indeed it is fun, "summer time" music. I would much rather listen to Queers, Screeching Weasel, Riverdales than the Souls and such any day. But, like in practices I'll see abhay screw around or mess up and both steve and night turn and give him the evil eye. And steve will shake his head in a "no" fashion.
The 1-2-3-4's are overused. Like I said they are awesome for some songs, but some they don't fit at all. It would be cool to have some songs start off w/ just drum, or just guitar/bass. I'll give you this, the 1-2-3-4 works much better live. But on the cd, it was a mistake.
As for the song tempos thing, I didn't mean super fast songs. But most of the songs have the same exact drum beat at the same exact speed, W/ a few slows ones hear and there that have the same slow beat.
Drum fills and such - You should allow abhay to add drum things in where he feels they will better the music. Steve, I could care less about bass fills. Solos will be a nice touch. Yes, I agree leads are very simple to make and stuff. But if you are going for simple wouldn't that be appropriate.
Night, I knew you were going to say "we've only played two shows . . blah blah". You should have never asked me which is better then. I do believe the first couple of snach shows, had an awesome crowd response. But, yes we shall see.
PCOHONTAS
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Post by T-Rex on Nov 28, 2001 11:23:44 GMT -5
I like the All-Stars better. I dont like the Ramones and I barely like the Riverdales...but I like the All-Stars. They are fun and sound solid. All-Star shows are just as fun as SNACH shows were, if not more fun. The All-Stars show with the Eyeliners was one of the best shows ever. Oh well...I vote for the All-Stars.
I dont really understand the anti-allstar reasons and even the need for a SNACH vs. All-Stars poll.
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Post by grandpa_rocks on Nov 28, 2001 11:31:10 GMT -5
night, calm down. your posts seem to be getting angrier and angrier. yes it was 2 years of snach and it is only 2 months of the all-stars, maybe that's why it was a bad idea to ask now. i am pro snach, for many of the reasons most people said, it was more fun. alot of the fun times in those 2 years came from snach shows. don't get me wrong i like the all-stars too, but snach was just more my cup of tea. stage presence and crowd participation is a huge part of the live show. at the snach shows people were always moving, wether it be ed humping leah, or nathan deague pushing people and getting them pissed, the crowd was always into snach, at least from what i saw being in the crowd. big deal you have your own equipment. i thought the name snach was great, it gets your attention you know. and the 1,2,3,4's are a bit much on the cd. and steve, snach looked cool too, noone looked the same (other than laga/the sofski) and i liked the originality of the music. i find myself getting bored with the all-stars when watching because the drum beats and stuff sound the same. at least there was a change in the snach songs. i am more pro snach and i was more into the music. but i do enjoy listening to the all-stars somewhat, but like i said, i need a change. night, it is ok to do cover songs, you seemed to get a lil' hostile about the covers, i think it would be cool for you to cover city guys or something. and in a cover i like it not to sound the same as the original... for future reference. i am excited for wastefest, it seems there will be a variety of bands and should be a good time
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Post by Steve All-Star on Nov 28, 2001 15:07:15 GMT -5
Many people hated SNACH by the end. It was horrible... all those later Glen Dale shows were trash. We played real well, but no one cared, no one moved, and aside from our closest friends, no one even sang along. The Airport show was OK because we sounded good, and by then we were playing some better tunes, but other than that, my favorite show was in December at Shelley's. After that, all the shows were downhill to me.
I have never given anyone a dirty look. Abhay has messed up once during each show on the same song. That's all. I didn't get mad at him. I looked back, because I didn't know what happened. I mess up playing sometimes, and if someone would have given me a dirty look, I would be pissed. I wouldn't do that to anyone. During practice, I don't care if we mess up, because it is practice, but I will look around. Because if I didn't do it, I want to know what happened.
I am anti- a lot of SNACH. I was anti-the name, anti-the first CD, and anti-all the yelling by Burns. I am pro-the EP, pro-the fun friend situations, and pro-the good shows. Other than that, I don't even think about it anymore. I think about The All-Stars. That band means a lot more, and I am not embarrassed by any of it. SNACH sometimes was embarrassing. I'm sure everyone will agree. When SNACH was still together, and I was in The All-Stars, and someone asked me what bands I was in, I just told them about The All-Stars.
As I said, SNACH was fun, but it was definitely nothing groundbreaking. When it comes to music, SNACH definitely borrowed off a lot more bands than we do now. There are a million fast pop-punk bands playing now. There about 20 big Lookout! style bands (on all pop-punk labels) right now in America. Epitaph have almost twice that many on their roster alone.
The All-Stars... Riverdales... Ramones... Queers... Lillingtons... Mopes... SW. That's pretty much it.
I don't know. The All-Stars are better.
WHOSTHATGIRLEVESTHATGIRL
-Jizz
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 28, 2001 15:07:46 GMT -5
Ok, I tried to explain the "dirty" looks thing to night. Hopefully he got what I was trying to say. If not, oh well. OK, well the 1-2-3-4 fits in a sense w/ all the songs, but I feel it wouldn't be appropriate for every song but one. More so on the recordings than live. Live, I don't really mind them so much. And like I said, The Allstars crush Snach in the dept. of time between songs. It's perfect!
Travis, it's hard to see how you can hate the Riverdales, kind of hate the Ramones and love the allstars. But I guess that's your opinion.
And I wasn't meaning you guys shoudl cover stupid songs. I wasn't just saying that in Snach you guys could cover gay songs and just laugh about it and stuff. But the allstars, you guys have a more "we have no room for games" type deal. I guess that is fine, but it's more fun to just be morons.
I also forgot to mention that the Allstars win in terms of initiative. Steve and Night have strong goals. And they are doing an excellent job of getting their music out there, and getting some good gigs. So I applaude at how quick you guys are getting things done. Hows that for some complimentary comments?
BASHBROSINC
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 28, 2001 15:15:53 GMT -5
The All-Stars... Riverdales... Ramones... Queers... Lillingtons... Mopes... SW. That's pretty much it. <br> Hehe, I don't know where you get that there are so few of these bands out there. I know that was probably just a joke, or at least I hope it was. You are probably right in that there are more "epitaph" type punk bands than Ramones-ish bands, but there are still quite a lot of R-bands. And from what I've heard of all the unsigned ones, a majority of them are shitty. I will say, that the allstars are the best unsigned Ramones-core band that I have heard. (*that I have heard) All those "pop punk" bands that played at millvaile that one night, were super awful and I wanted to die. Hehe, but don't think you guys are "original" or something. THEJOKESONYOUSUCKA
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Post by Steve All-Star on Nov 28, 2001 18:01:17 GMT -5
All I did there was write the big All-Stars influences.
REVERSAL2000
-Jizz
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Post by grandpa_rocks on Nov 28, 2001 19:53:14 GMT -5
influences?...
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