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Post by GUAPOMEGUSTA on Nov 28, 2001 21:33:03 GMT -5
I'm just gonna keep this one short and sweet.
When it comes to the crowd moving I'd say they're all going there to move and approaching the show with a handcuffed attitude about it'll be reciprocated by the crowd.The more people you have in a band,the more people at shows'll probably appreciate it(unless you're a member of Slipknot) cause there's more energy and (there should be) genuine smiles.
Speaking for me,I doubt that anyone is gonna go to a punk show,or ANY fucking show, and expect just seriousness(unless you're member of Radiohead).Fast path to getting people bored is being bored.
And finishing with the music aspect.Snach=faster=crowd participation.Why limit yourself to 3 musicians and have one doing 2 things at once (restrictive,I'd imagine) when you could have more musical space AND room for energy.Sure,it's harder to get 5 people in one place,but worth it.And it allows you to balance the whole chord and solo squabble.Why do one when you had both!?!
Anyway,this'll likely get shot down cause I'm the quiet Sofsky talking about the big fish.But when it comes to opinion(opium) it's easy to speak and I thought SNACH was better.When's the reunion tour/greatest hits CD?
RUPTHEPOOPNITTHESHITANDNIMAITHEAMERICANSTOOL
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 28, 2001 22:12:52 GMT -5
Hehe, Pat I'm not sure why the big questioning of "influences", that was one quite obvious for me. And Rup, I'm going to shoot you down and say that amount of people don't equal crowd movement. OA used to have only 3 members and even though I wasn't around in those days I'm sure their crowd movement was super great back then. You were right about faster songs equal more movement. I would move during the allstars if other people did. I think people are just kind of like "what the hell is this?" Hehe, no offense. I'm sure we all can agree on onething. Internation Riot is the best band eva!!!!!!!
IFAILIFAILIFAIHAHAIL!
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 28, 2001 22:39:21 GMT -5
Why isn't it
The Allstars + 25 friends = crowd participation
Did you expect the people in Mo-town to move? You were the first band and pretty much unheard of. The people there didn't even want you to play.
Sure yeah people in pittsburgh dug the allstars, but you don't know how everyone there felt. I think some of those guys were ridiculing you that were off to the side. But, hehe, how many of those guys bought merch?
INAGADDADAVIDA
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Post by Tuxedo on Nov 28, 2001 22:55:40 GMT -5
number one i like snach so much better! If you guys had a shitty time at morgantown cause noone clapped, that is your own goddamn fault not SNACH's. You could of still had fun. Are you forgetting that Nathan Daugue only came to at most half of your shows and who was it to start it up? mostly me, Ahmed Johnson, ncc, and hornak. as it has been said before, the beats all sound the same for the all-stars. even most of the songs sound the same but with different words. Night what is up with you and travis? Steve-o is not around anymore so you take second best? travis's oppinions count as shit. all he does is listen to slopknot all day and incubus and mundame and hanson. with music tastes like that what can you expect to gain from his insight? NOTHING!!! (just kidding travy). anyways all in all i loved snach better (even if fat welsch made fun and hated you guys.)
Tuxedo
HIPHOPHORRAYHOHORRAYHO
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Post by Madperfesssa on Nov 29, 2001 0:10:53 GMT -5
1.2.3.4. wow... lots of stupid things said. heres some quotes i have to respond to.
"Plus less drum/guitar/bass solos/fills just helps keep the music simple. That's what we're about. Listen to the Ramones and Riverdales."
"Oh yeah, Ahmed Johnson, do you consider the the Ramones and Riverdales overly serious or a bummer cause of how they dress?"
"I don't like jumping, so now I know it's ok to not do it.
I can spread my legs and play and just feel like a badass.
Also, our biggest influences did the same thing, and they looked cool...I prefer Johnny Ramone over Chad NFG or whoever they might be."
"Dude, have you seen any Ramones live footage?
We definitely don't rip off their stage presence.
They all went crazy all the time, hopping about, and totally playing to the crowd."
"As I said, SNACH was fun, but it was definitely nothing groundbreaking. "
--so do we rip thse guys off or what. make up your minds. We are more of rip offs than snach was. snach was much more original. Snach had their own diverse sound. the influences came from a lot of different things which i think is a good thing. you admit that we exclusively rip off these seven bands then you say we are groundbreaking?! im thinking back and i cant remember one band that snach played with that snach sounded a lot like. that show at millvalle two bands sounded a lot like us.
"Many people hated SNACH by the end. It was horrible... all those later Glen Dale shows were trash."
who?.... those people never liked us. and you think those people who werent into snach would like the all stars. you are nuts.
---the show at milvalle:
we played exclusively to a bunch of pop punk kids. and i wasnt convinced that they liked us. please tell me why that show was such a success. we sold one cd. they had the same response as the morgantown kids. if snach would have played a show for a bunch of "epitaph" kids... we would have done just as good if not better than the the all stars did at the millvale show.
the "evil eye."
"I have never given anyone a dirty look. Abhay has messed up once during each show on the same song. That's all."
--- steve you always give me the notorious evil eye followed by the "no" headshake. pisses me off. steve... i know that you get pissed off when i screw up. night... you dont do it. steve did it in snach too. but usually chris would just go "shut the fuck up steve." hehe
"1-2-3-4-'s are a million times cooler, and they are a lot easier to do than wait, and listen for drum clicks or whatever. "
--- i think that one speaks for itself.
"but not one person mentioned the apparent "mistake" that is the 1-2-3-4's."
me and Ahmed Johnson and jamie peck called it the day we recorded. i think its a stupid thing to argue about though. its not a big deal. but personally... i think its kinda goofy.
"SNACH=25 FRIENDS + NATHAN DAGUE=PEOPLE MOVE
ALL-STARS=PITTSBURGH=NO FRIENDS=PEOPLE LIKED US"
"If Nathan Dague didn't come start up the mosh-action, shows were bad a lot of the time."
--- im sick of you guys bringing up the nathan dague bullshit! he was at like 4 of our shows. lets sit down and watch the shows and see. the airport show was one of our funnest shows ever. nathan dague didnt even watch us. me and Ahmed Johnson watched the dplan show yesterday. snach did awesome. people were moving the whole time. we had a good time including steve and night. nathan dague wasnt there. that nathan dague theory us complete shit! so we played too many shows. marrianes show was the only one that sucked. we(including steve and night) had lots of fun at the others. and whats wrong with our friends liking snach. i think our friends have outstanding musical taste. thats why they are my friends. stupid fucking equations.
"The All-Stars look cool. SNACH didn't do a damn thing."
--- thats bullshit. Snach did more than we do. why couldnt you spread your legs in snach steve? hehe.
sorry this was so long and disgruntled. i just read some of the things you posted and thought it was garbage. some of my posts may be garbage too. post on.
abhay
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Post by Tuxedo on Nov 29, 2001 9:31:38 GMT -5
night it is planting an apple tree seed and an orange one comes up. (especially in alaska!) i think the morgantown show was just played to the wrong people. of course if you played at jamboree in the hills i doubt that would work out either. in pittsburgh at laga you guys (snach) did not just have friends in the crowd. there were more just complete stangers in the crowd than friends. (of course i am sure that evfun's stage diving really pumped the crowd up to participate). well anyways when we all get back we will have a royal rumble. SNACH Vs. All-Stars (if anyone has been watching wrestling lately or even knows about what happened. the alliance, made up of ecw aND WCW, fought the WWf to see who would survive. if wwf lost, we would never see wwf again. but if wwf won they would stay.) so we will fight it out and if Snach wins they win all arguements and the all-stars would have to succome and quit playing and vice-versa.
Tuxedo
EVERYDOGHASITSDAYLIKEEVERYWOMANSHEGETSHEROWNWAY
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Post by Steve All-Star on Nov 29, 2001 10:30:41 GMT -5
There will be no Royal Rumble between SNACH and The All-Stars, because SNACH is not playing anymore. People need to get out of the past... as I have said a million times, The All-Stars are the wave of the future.
I think "Made In USA" is much better than the SNACH EP. I tried listening to that when I was home for Thanksgiving, and the only song that I really liked was "Her and Me". I am thinking SNACH should have delved more into hardcore while we were still playing, because that song is getting there, and it's pretty good.
I think we need to end this topic, because there is just no way that anyone is going to leave it alone. No one agrees with Night and I (except Travis), and it's just going to be trashy arguing from everyone (including our own drummer) and people will get mad. But as I am ending my stance on the topic, I pose the question:
SNACH (Frame-era) or The All-Stars?
Think about that one... hahahahahahahahaha.
EVERWONDERWHYTHEONESYOURETRYINGTODO
-Jizz
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Post by Mr. Danger on Nov 29, 2001 10:39:20 GMT -5
This post is going to keep going in circles snach movement, all-stars 1234's, snach movement, all-stars 1234's "yadda yadda yadda" (seinfeld episode) Well both bands are good and i think snach should still play because they were starting to get some realy awesome songs, like those last few that they wrote were sweet. I dont see why you have to choose one band and say: hey kill the other! I know with school and all its hard to even have one band but cmon pooses wake up and shake your booty! We need to get the almon, patfun, evfun and the rest of the dance monkeys back in the crowd shirtless massing up some faces! oh and who the heck cares about the 1234's there not making the songs worse or better, its a stupid thing to complain about them.  |
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Post by grandpa_rocks on Nov 29, 2001 12:51:01 GMT -5
could you please show me where and how i am being defensive. and steve i like how because others opinions aren't like yours and nights, everyone's arguements are "trashy". everyone has good points. and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but yet everyones opinion has been getting torn apart, which makes me and i am sure some other people to not want to state any further opinions
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Post by Madperfesssa on Nov 29, 2001 16:49:22 GMT -5
1,2,3,4. hey... im not getting hostile. just mad at some things that were said. i will make another list thing.
1. when the snach EP thing came out steve said "this is the best cd ever." now he doesnt like it. so now i am waiting for him to start an indie band and say " the all stars EP was some trash."
2. i agree that eclectic doesnt mean original. but you can get your influences from a lot of things and still be original. it might have been better for me to say that i think snach was more original than the all stars.
3. they are still stupid fucking equations. hehe. i still think i am right about that nathan dague bullshit. are you saying that if you were watching once again and nathan dague shoved you that you would start dancing and having a great time. cmon... that garbage.
4. i think i am only getting disgruntled becuase of steves attitude towards snach. he makes it seem like a big waste of time and how it was some embarrasing thing that he shouldnt have done. i resent that. and you cant argue with steve either. like pat said... if its not his opinion... its dumb and he is an asshole about it.
5. you made some good points night. just some things i dont agree with. i love the arguement winning comments too.
6. the snach doing more than the all stars was refering to the live show. steve was saying snach didnt do a damn thing on stage.
7. i wish snach was still playing shows.
thats what i gots to say for now. rock on.
abhay
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Post by grandpa_rocks on Nov 29, 2001 18:35:56 GMT -5
hey, everyday is a red dog day... i really enjoyed that song. and i liked the newer stuff snach was doing. blah blah, tear 'em up boys
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 29, 2001 19:53:02 GMT -5
Everything has been said about 40 times hehe, but this was definitely a fun topic and sparked lots of stuff to read and discuss. Hopefully it was the perfect medicine to resurrect the board, but most likely not.
I will answer your poll steve. I'm more pro Frame Snach than the allstars or the newer vs. snach. Why? Well, because Night is a cocksucker, and I have never liked that kid. Also he is used to bring condoms to school in his backpack in 10th grade, and I would ridicule him for it.
Also, Dange in case we don't talk on aim tonight, are we hitting up an eatery ta mara at the usual time? You know, because we are gay and I'm stealing you from ncc. . .
SUPERCOOLINTHEPARKWITHDAVYCHALK
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Post by XBrassKnucksX on Nov 29, 2001 21:07:30 GMT -5
so here's the deal:
I'm not an intellectual. i just know what I like & what I don't like so you're not gonne see any smart shit here. just straight shit talking.
Frame-Era Snach - ok this time was fun, because it seemed that everyone goofed around a lot and it made me get to know a lot of you guys a lot better. but I didn't care much for the music.
Night-Era Snach, including the EP - I fucking loved this time. I knew you guys even better than before, the quality of the music was much more up to something that I could get into. and everyone knows that "her & me" fucking killed. Night's guitar licks made everything stand out for the better i think.
The All-Stars - this is a band that still knows how to have fun, and while not being serious, sorta seems to be more goal-oriented & in my opinion, will go farther. The reason I like this band a whole lot is more for the whoe experience, including going to shows, getting on them & everything that goes with that, than the music, which I know sounds stupid. But think of it this way - if a tour ever happens, there are less people in the band, that means there is room for Boss in the van. That also means, The All-Stars will never get ripped off by some punk bitch in a NOFX t-shirt, because I'll be ruling the merch table with an iron fist & Brass Knuckles. Also, I don't take shit and promoters wouldn't be fucking us over, or else we'd start playing Blood For Blood real loud & some fake-ass mutha fuckas would be getting their heads kicked in. Not to mention how much fucking ruckus I can cause, including stealing dumb shit, smashing road signs, yelling at people, wearing people's asses as helmets, and don't forget the bombs.
Ohh yeah.
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Post by Ahmed Johnson on Nov 29, 2001 21:50:18 GMT -5
Whoa Boss, I was already given "Gino" status, with control of Merch. But after posting my views I'll probably be blacklisted or some sort. Wouldn't it be really awesome if we were both merch people and we just made fun of everyone and got in fights and stuff. That would rule! I would rule! I will rule!
CRYINGINMYBEER
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Post by XBrassKnucksX on Nov 29, 2001 22:05:45 GMT -5
The trick is, Ahmed Johnson, to sell everyone stuff first, then fight them. I'll get you a spike from the pawn shop, you can definitely do some damage with one of those. how about, you talk them into it while I steal all their money out of their wallets/purses/fanny packs (built in, or external). I will also work on getting sluts phone numbers for Steve-O.
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